There's a short piece of Bay Area freeway, Interstate 380, named for Quentin Kopp, which is ironic considering that he's beaten the drum for public transit — specifically bullet trains — for years. But then again, he's always been a contrarian, as a Superior Court judge, a San Francisco supervisor and a state senator. He also headed the California High-Speed Rail Authority. The man nicknamed the "Great Dissenter" is dissenting now over the course of his beloved bullet train, created on paper in 2008 with a bond measure, Proposition 1A. Its prospects have been slowed considerably by lawsuits, the latest from the state itself, a preemptive bring-it-on legal action called High-Speed Rail Authority vs. All Persons Interested. Kopp is among the very interested, and the not very happy.
Oscar Wilde said that each man kills the thing he loves. You love high-speed rail. Why do you want to kill it now?
I want to kill this iteration of it because it betrays the representations to the voters in November 2008.
Most epiphanies in France have to do with wine or cheese. Yours had to do with high-speed rail, in 1982.
My son had been on an exchange program. He said, "There's this new train from Lyon to Paris," and I said, "Let's try it." That was the epiphany.
Do you still think California needs a bullet train?
Yes. It will attract riders otherwise circumscribed by vehicular congestion and the inability of airports to host increasing number of flights. High-speed rail fares can and will beat airplane fares.
Will California's ever get built?
The Kings County lawsuit [alleging that parts of the current plan violate Proposition 1A's provisions] should stop the spending of any money on the violative parts of the plan and force the High-Speed Rail Authority to restore the 2008 plan.
There are objections all along the route, some from areas because they're included, some because they're not.
There were problems coming over the Grapevine, with the Tejon Ranch Co. Palmdale complained because it wasn't going through Palmdale. If I were able to effectuate it now, I'd build L.A. to San Diego first. The politics stem from the route. You expect that in a public project.
There's also a ballooning cost estimate of $68 billion. Gov. Jerry Brown just went to China, looking for the Chinese to invest. He said they could "make a lot of money in California."
That would be good! I think somewhere between 20% and 25% of the total cost was contemplated as coming from private sources.
Another way to persuade the Chinese, more ambitious theoretically, would be to turn the project over to them. But you'd have to change the provisions of Proposition 1A, and that would be a political problem — the notion of turning it over to private investors, Chinese investors.
We never contemplated private investment until about 70% or 75% of the first phase was built or at least started. Private investors aren't going to come in until they see that it's going to happen. It is a long shot to tell California that Brown might be able to dicker with the Chinese to come into this project.
Does Proposition 1A allow for private ownership?
It does not. It allows for operation by a private entity — in fact, it's premised upon operation by a private entity. No state agency will operate the train.
What's wrong with the current iteration of the plan? How did it go off the rails?
The cunning progenitors of this plan have expropriated bond money to improve commuter rail [for use in the high-speed system].
[But] high-speed rail can only operate on dedicated track, separated not shared. [Legislators] don't have the guts to stand up and say to their constituents, "We're one state and the voters in this one state agreed to it."